Stanley Kubrick's Confession: The Moon Landings Were Faked.
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belever said:
If it was fake, Do you recon it would really cause much of a deal, to the point it weaken the US that is? Cold war is over and the USSR is gone decades ago, really doesnt matter a great deal now, the space race achieved what it was supposed todo, made the USSR to waste a shit tonne of money and helped play a big part in dragging the communist USSR into financial ruin, . So if it was fake it achieved its desired outcome.
So IMO it would Probably be seen as one of the best bluffs of all time. obviously there would be allot of "I told you So's" lol but It wouldn't really effect the US now.
Being so long ago Probs wouldn't effect much I dont think. realistically I think if the US came clean on it, it would be easy for the US gov to say, something like,
(Ok yer it was fake, the Communists bought into it, they wasted money chasing an impossible dream, they are gone now and the con played a major part in bankrupting the communists which helped us win a war with out either of us firing nukes)
And then some directors Like the Cohan Brothers make a great movie about it with a comedy spin lol, and no one would care. ahaha
thats Why I dont have much care either way if it was fake or not, Because fake or not it achieved its desired effect and would mean very little now.
All it would show is that if the lizard people elites arent smart enough to land on the moon, then there probably isnt any Lizard people from out of space, PS sorry couldnt resist I had to include a David Icke joke. lol
But in all seriousness what a great movie it would make.
I tell you what, one of the most censored topics out there is Flat Earth Theory. I laughed at a flat earther several months ago and sought to prove him wrong. I thought it would be easy. It was not. Now I know that I don't know anymore. We have long distance photographs (400+KMs) of Landscapes that should be KMs under the earth's curvature. Skylines of coastal cities and even lighthouses can also be viewed from such distances that defy the curvature model.
Then you have the behaviour of water. Large bodies of water will always find their level. The idea of our oceans curving defies the physics of water. Water also needs a container, just like our atmosphere (gas) would if it were next to the vacuum of space. If it didn't have a container, it would go against the second law of thermodynamics. The answer to all of this? Gravity! Yet gravity is merely a theory that tries to explain why things fall to the ground at a rate of approx. 9.8 m/s. Flat earthers state that gravity can be explained by density, buoyancy and electromagnetism. It's very complex to understand the model in its entirety but it is absolutely fascinating. Something I once laughed away has now become something of great intrigue and interest.
I've seen so many faked CGI images from NASA it's not funny. Look into the blue marble from NASA themselves. Look at the timeline between their claimed "photos" of earth. First one was in 1972 and claimed to be from one of the Apollo missions, and no other photos of earth existed until 2015. Meanwhile, they want you to believe we're sending robotic vehicles to Mars and taking close up photos of distant planets but can't take another photo of earth for 43 years.
Eric Dubay, Austin Witsit and KC Industries are people worth listening to on this subject.
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Aeroplanes never have to make allowances/corrections for Earth's curvature. The lockheed SR-71 Blackbird can travel at speeds up to 3500 KMs per hour. To maintain it's altitude, it would need to travel nose down to account for over 15kms of curvature every minute. Failing to do so would result in gaining altitude so quickly that it would be in low earth orbit in a matter of minutes.
Personally, I'd prefer not to entertain the idea of a flat earth but once you honestly investigate it, there are some proofs that are impossible to ignore.
Then you have the behaviour of water. Large bodies of water will always find their level. The idea of our oceans curving defies the physics of water. Water also needs a container, just like our atmosphere (gas) would if it were next to the vacuum of space. If it didn't have a container, it would go against the second law of thermodynamics. The answer to all of this? Gravity! Yet gravity is merely a theory that tries to explain why things fall to the ground at a rate of approx. 9.8 m/s. Flat earthers state that gravity can be explained by density, buoyancy and electromagnetism. It's very complex to understand the model in its entirety but it is absolutely fascinating. Something I once laughed away has now become something of great intrigue and interest.
I've seen so many faked CGI images from NASA it's not funny. Look into the blue marble from NASA themselves. Look at the timeline between their claimed "photos" of earth. First one was in 1972 and claimed to be from one of the Apollo missions, and no other photos of earth existed until 2015. Meanwhile, they want you to believe we're sending robotic vehicles to Mars and taking close up photos of distant planets but can't take another photo of earth for 43 years.
Eric Dubay, Austin Witsit and KC Industries are people worth listening to on this subject.
A few more breadcrumbs for those who are interested...
Aeroplanes never have to make allowances/corrections for Earth's curvature. The lockheed SR-71 Blackbird can travel at speeds up to 3500 KMs per hour. To maintain it's altitude, it would need to travel nose down to account for over 15kms of curvature every minute. Failing to do so would result in gaining altitude so quickly that it would be in low earth orbit in a matter of minutes.
Personally, I'd prefer not to entertain the idea of a flat earth but once you honestly investigate it, there are some proofs that are impossible to ignore.
STKR said:
if the earth is flat, how is it that the entire world cant all see the moon and sun at the same time? because if the earth is flat and only had one face, that is exactly what would happen, every single country would see the moon at the same time, and when the moon falls behind the disk and the sun comes up the entire world would also see the sun at the same time. we would also have the same seasons at the same time.
jason1 said:
These are similar entry level questions I asked myself. The flat earth model projects the sun and the moon as being localised. If it interests you, do a little digging yourself by searching for the names I've suggested.
Here's a video explaining the seasons: https://fb.watch/h_EhhlpfLU/?mibextid=NnVzG8
Do a general look into it all because all the basic questions I asked in the beginning have been answered and it goes far deeper than most would ever imagine. Searching the names I've shared will be a good way to get a proper understanding of how the model is represented. As far as I'm concerned, the curvature of the earth has been disproven throughout countless tests, experiments and examples.
That's where I'm at now. I understand the round earth model is extremely flawed and now I don't know what to think about it. 3 months ago I would've told you the earth was round without hesitation - end of story - but now I have serious doubts because the curvature model doesn't add up at all with real world testing.
This is just an example of why I say curvature has been disproven.
Here we have the longest landscape photograph ever recorded. A whopping 443kms!!
Here we have the longest landscape photograph ever recorded. A whopping 443kms!!
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Now we can do calculations based on Earth's curvature and observer elevation using this calculator:
https://www.biorhythm-calculator.net/earth-curvature-calculator
Observer elevation is 2820m. Based on the distance of 443kms, there should be over 5kms of curvature (5038m). The very peak of the mountain range being photographed is only 4102m.
The calculated curvature between these two points is over 5000m. The peak of the barre des ?crins range should be 898m below the earth's curve. The mountain range itself stands over 1500m from It's base. There is approximately 1.5 - 2kms of missing curvature in this photograph.
I wouldn't take this as "proof" without further evidence. This is not an isolated example at all. The equipment needed to conduct a basic experiment is within reach for many. These experiments/tests have been performed countless times and the results are the same.
https://www.biorhythm-calculator.net/earth-curvature-calculator
Observer elevation is 2820m. Based on the distance of 443kms, there should be over 5kms of curvature (5038m). The very peak of the mountain range being photographed is only 4102m.
The calculated curvature between these two points is over 5000m. The peak of the barre des ?crins range should be 898m below the earth's curve. The mountain range itself stands over 1500m from It's base. There is approximately 1.5 - 2kms of missing curvature in this photograph.
I wouldn't take this as "proof" without further evidence. This is not an isolated example at all. The equipment needed to conduct a basic experiment is within reach for many. These experiments/tests have been performed countless times and the results are the same.
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Im seeing my old man today, he hangs around with a few yachties as one of his good mate builds catamarans for Long distance deep sea sailing, But Im fairly certain one of his parrot head mates has actually sailed around the world, and if my memory serves me correct may have done so on more than one occasion. so if thats the case I will reach out to him.
I'll also ask my old man to ask his Yachtie mates if any have encountered anything suspect on their big long distant sailing expeditions. I know my oldman almost got convinced to go on as a crew member on one of his mates catamarans who was wanting todo an around the world sailing trip, But work and kids got in the way of that. But I am pretty sure that while my old man never went his mate did. Ill need to confirm to make sure. Ive had to think long an hard about who to ask about this who isnt an astronomy guy.
He is going to look at me a bit crazy no doubt for asking, lol
Im not a believer of the world is flat thing, But its an interesting topic that I Would like to hopefully ask some one who has actually sailed around the earth.So im really hoping my memory is correct and he did do it,And if he did Ill contact him directly to get some info and his thoughts on the world is flat thing. I get secondhand Info might not be good enough for some, But It may still be fairly interesting for the topics sake IMO
Ill Keep you updated.
so stay tuned
I'll also ask my old man to ask his Yachtie mates if any have encountered anything suspect on their big long distant sailing expeditions. I know my oldman almost got convinced to go on as a crew member on one of his mates catamarans who was wanting todo an around the world sailing trip, But work and kids got in the way of that. But I am pretty sure that while my old man never went his mate did. Ill need to confirm to make sure. Ive had to think long an hard about who to ask about this who isnt an astronomy guy.
He is going to look at me a bit crazy no doubt for asking, lol
Im not a believer of the world is flat thing, But its an interesting topic that I Would like to hopefully ask some one who has actually sailed around the earth.So im really hoping my memory is correct and he did do it,And if he did Ill contact him directly to get some info and his thoughts on the world is flat thing. I get secondhand Info might not be good enough for some, But It may still be fairly interesting for the topics sake IMO
Ill Keep you updated.
so stay tuned
Ok I just got back from seeing my old man.
Yes his friend has done a crewed trip around the world, starting from Morton and essentially ending back in Morton. 2011
He was supposed todo another trip which was ruined by covid
We tried to ring him, he was the skipper but he was unavailable when we rang, So we rang another of his friends who was on that crew and we asked him about if he thought the earth was flat.
He said along the lines, he him self did the Roaring 40's route, which was sailing from qld to America, In a direction according to the flat earth map is impossible, But is done often by adventurous sailors, If you were to look at the roaring 40's route and the flat earth map you would see you would reach the end of the earth on the fat earth map where as with a round globe you end up in the Americas.
the Flat earth map also has America in a totally wrong direction in relation to Australia, and if you used flat earth map for sailing from qld to America you would not find America and according to the flat earth map the roaring 40's would lead you to the end of the world which he did not find.
He said he often Jokes about flat earth maps when he is sailing when taking certain routes and entering certain locations, as they were about to sail off the end of the world at those certain locations, only to find they never did obviously. lol
I have Looked up the roaring 40s route here from Qld to America. If You look at a flat earth map and you can see he is correct, you could not do this route if the earth was flat, and yet it is done all the time
https://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Passage_-_West_to_East
you couldn't even take a direct route to the US following the flat earth map, you would have to do a massive swing around, as America is Essentially Above Australia with Europe in between which is just utterly stupid.
He also Suggested you jump on any ocean sailing forum to have the discussion and other ocean sailors could explain from their own experiences, and they could explain with all the accuracy on earth as far as mapping goes as to why the earth cant be flat and why when they follow globe style maps they always end up in the correct location and why they think it would be impossible to use flat earth maps for many voyages. Id recommend you do that, because these are people who know because they have sailed to these places and there is no shortage of these sorts of people. you can clearly see the locations of America to Australia on a flat earth map is totally different to that of the globe.
Now in my own opinion after hearing that, hasnt changed much as I do and did think
flat earth is Bullshit. there are way too many people who have sailed the world only to find their location every time off the globe maps.
Go look at the difference between where America is on a flat earth map in relation to Australia and to where it is on a globe, its in a totally wrong direction and you would see compared to the roaring 40's route, would be impossible to find America if the earth was flat and yet people do that all the time. that would be one of thousands of routes that would be considered impossible if you went off a flat earth map. as it would meet the end of the world. you only need basic skills with a compass to see it doesn't work out.
But hey jump on an ocean sailing forum, you would get good info there about the mapping side and peoples experiences first hand, im sure they would love the question and nerd out over it. I think that was a great suggestion of his, you dont have to take my second hand accounts, you could go ask people with first hand accounts.
Id personally take the Knowledge of some one who has sailed to the so called ends of the world and didnt drop off, vs so called academics who fight each other over the internet via theory rather than experience
so unlike the moon walk, which only a hand full of people have supposed to have done, finding some one who has done that is near impossible.
Vs sailing into areas considered the end of the world in flat earth theory, there are lots of Civilians who have done that. millions more have done it over the years who do and have done it as a job on commercial boats. so if the world was a disk with an end of the world, you would know about it, I cant see a single reason for them to lie Honestly.
Politics of the moon landing certainly had a reason to lie about, if they did or didnt I dont know
But as for earth being flat, cant see any need for them to have said its a globe if it wasnt.
I put flat earth in the same basket as Climate change, quake Science
Yes his friend has done a crewed trip around the world, starting from Morton and essentially ending back in Morton. 2011
He was supposed todo another trip which was ruined by covid
We tried to ring him, he was the skipper but he was unavailable when we rang, So we rang another of his friends who was on that crew and we asked him about if he thought the earth was flat.
He said along the lines, he him self did the Roaring 40's route, which was sailing from qld to America, In a direction according to the flat earth map is impossible, But is done often by adventurous sailors, If you were to look at the roaring 40's route and the flat earth map you would see you would reach the end of the earth on the fat earth map where as with a round globe you end up in the Americas.
the Flat earth map also has America in a totally wrong direction in relation to Australia, and if you used flat earth map for sailing from qld to America you would not find America and according to the flat earth map the roaring 40's would lead you to the end of the world which he did not find.
He said he often Jokes about flat earth maps when he is sailing when taking certain routes and entering certain locations, as they were about to sail off the end of the world at those certain locations, only to find they never did obviously. lol
I have Looked up the roaring 40s route here from Qld to America. If You look at a flat earth map and you can see he is correct, you could not do this route if the earth was flat, and yet it is done all the time
https://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Passage_-_West_to_East
you couldn't even take a direct route to the US following the flat earth map, you would have to do a massive swing around, as America is Essentially Above Australia with Europe in between which is just utterly stupid.
He also Suggested you jump on any ocean sailing forum to have the discussion and other ocean sailors could explain from their own experiences, and they could explain with all the accuracy on earth as far as mapping goes as to why the earth cant be flat and why when they follow globe style maps they always end up in the correct location and why they think it would be impossible to use flat earth maps for many voyages. Id recommend you do that, because these are people who know because they have sailed to these places and there is no shortage of these sorts of people. you can clearly see the locations of America to Australia on a flat earth map is totally different to that of the globe.
Now in my own opinion after hearing that, hasnt changed much as I do and did think
flat earth is Bullshit. there are way too many people who have sailed the world only to find their location every time off the globe maps.
Go look at the difference between where America is on a flat earth map in relation to Australia and to where it is on a globe, its in a totally wrong direction and you would see compared to the roaring 40's route, would be impossible to find America if the earth was flat and yet people do that all the time. that would be one of thousands of routes that would be considered impossible if you went off a flat earth map. as it would meet the end of the world. you only need basic skills with a compass to see it doesn't work out.
But hey jump on an ocean sailing forum, you would get good info there about the mapping side and peoples experiences first hand, im sure they would love the question and nerd out over it. I think that was a great suggestion of his, you dont have to take my second hand accounts, you could go ask people with first hand accounts.
Id personally take the Knowledge of some one who has sailed to the so called ends of the world and didnt drop off, vs so called academics who fight each other over the internet via theory rather than experience
so unlike the moon walk, which only a hand full of people have supposed to have done, finding some one who has done that is near impossible.
Vs sailing into areas considered the end of the world in flat earth theory, there are lots of Civilians who have done that. millions more have done it over the years who do and have done it as a job on commercial boats. so if the world was a disk with an end of the world, you would know about it, I cant see a single reason for them to lie Honestly.
Politics of the moon landing certainly had a reason to lie about, if they did or didnt I dont know
But as for earth being flat, cant see any need for them to have said its a globe if it wasnt.
I put flat earth in the same basket as Climate change, quake Science
Errm, I'm not entirely sure what exactly you're trying to say but flat earthers use the Gleason's map, which ironically is 2 dimensional map of the globe.
If the North Pole is in the centre of the Gleason's map, travelling North, East, South and West would put you at the same bearing.
I wouldn't even say I'm an advocate for flat earth at this stage anyway. For it to work in it's entirety, you would have to accept the geocentric model and all that comes with it. I'm not at that stage of acceptance yet. What I am saying is that curvature has been widely disproven time and time again using the scientific method of observable, testable and repeatable.
As per the example I have given previously, we have a world record landscape photograph showing a mountain range that should be 1.5-2kms below the earth's curvature. That can't be ignored.
As per the other examples I've given, aeroplanes never account for Earth's curvature. Why? They never account for Earth's curvature in engineering either? Railroads, bridges and even rocket trajectory. Why? It's claimed that we're on a spinning ball with curvature and the earth's crust is rotating at 1600kmph, or 30kms per second! Why would we never have to allow for curvature and rotation?
Watch these two videos and let me know what you think. They only go for a couple of minutes each...
https://fb.watch/i0xLxeF7J7/?mibextid=NnVzG8
https://www.facebook.com/100074887432964/videos/420475946497512/?mibextid=NnVzG8
And if you really have some time to spare, take a look at this one:
https://www.facebook.com/scott.gray.sukahdiBi/videos/925548470927358/?mibextid=NnVzG8
I sadly have no interest in joining a sailing forum to hear their views on the flat earth model. My main objective was to prove that the earth was round based on the model given to us. I personally cannot ignore the evidence provided.
I mean this in the most respectful way, but you haven't given me anything but an idea that the position of America makes no sense on the flat earth map and I should join a forum and seek answers from people who "often joke about the flat earth map". No real examples or explanations were given. It was merely conjecture. And your comment "sailing off the edge of the world" immediately shows me the lack of understanding one has about the map and model.
Look, I don't blame anyone for dismissing flat earth. I was there 3 months ago treating a flat earth acquaintance like he was insane, labelling him with the same knee-jerk "conspiracy theorists" label like we've all been subjected to. I'm genuinely embarrassed by that, as someone who considers himself to be objective and open minded.
If the North Pole is in the centre of the Gleason's map, travelling North, East, South and West would put you at the same bearing.
I wouldn't even say I'm an advocate for flat earth at this stage anyway. For it to work in it's entirety, you would have to accept the geocentric model and all that comes with it. I'm not at that stage of acceptance yet. What I am saying is that curvature has been widely disproven time and time again using the scientific method of observable, testable and repeatable.
As per the example I have given previously, we have a world record landscape photograph showing a mountain range that should be 1.5-2kms below the earth's curvature. That can't be ignored.
As per the other examples I've given, aeroplanes never account for Earth's curvature. Why? They never account for Earth's curvature in engineering either? Railroads, bridges and even rocket trajectory. Why? It's claimed that we're on a spinning ball with curvature and the earth's crust is rotating at 1600kmph, or 30kms per second! Why would we never have to allow for curvature and rotation?
Watch these two videos and let me know what you think. They only go for a couple of minutes each...
https://fb.watch/i0xLxeF7J7/?mibextid=NnVzG8
https://www.facebook.com/100074887432964/videos/420475946497512/?mibextid=NnVzG8
And if you really have some time to spare, take a look at this one:
https://www.facebook.com/scott.gray.sukahdiBi/videos/925548470927358/?mibextid=NnVzG8
I sadly have no interest in joining a sailing forum to hear their views on the flat earth model. My main objective was to prove that the earth was round based on the model given to us. I personally cannot ignore the evidence provided.
I mean this in the most respectful way, but you haven't given me anything but an idea that the position of America makes no sense on the flat earth map and I should join a forum and seek answers from people who "often joke about the flat earth map". No real examples or explanations were given. It was merely conjecture. And your comment "sailing off the edge of the world" immediately shows me the lack of understanding one has about the map and model.
Look, I don't blame anyone for dismissing flat earth. I was there 3 months ago treating a flat earth acquaintance like he was insane, labelling him with the same knee-jerk "conspiracy theorists" label like we've all been subjected to. I'm genuinely embarrassed by that, as someone who considers himself to be objective and open minded.
STKR said:
what you have described is a Fata Morgana. very well known , even a dumb shit like me knows that one.
essentially long distant images that are caused by light refraction, making something below the horizon appearing up, and not only that often closer than they are.
If you type in Fata Morgana mountains you will see them, or Fata Morgana cities, fata Morgan ships.
there is a great one that appears of a ancient city in japan, on the right conditions it looks like this old Japanese city appears out on the horizon out of no where. they call it ghost city I believe, has marveled People for centuries. But its a Fata Morgana
often happen with large ships, often you will see them when sitting on shore looking out at see, watching a big ship vanish into the horizon completely out of sight, then all the sudden, it appears close and big and almost floating in mid air. weather changes and its gone again, its not uncommon to see things that vanished behind the horizon and re-appear. Im sure many people have seen a Fata Morgana and not put any thought into it.
Most common place to see one is one is at the beach, if you go out to the beach as often as I do where major shipping lanes are, you will see them all the time, if you havent already and didnt think much of it, you can literally watch a ship go down below the horizon in many areas, and then all the sudden watch it floating up like magic above the horizon and often bigger,
happens allot in mountain areas with cities and other mountains you typically cant see as they are behind the horizon or to far away.
STKR said:
Also im not labeling you anything, I can disagree with you and not call you anything. , Bring forward a sailor, a pilot or any one who has reached the edge of the world and Id love to hear. What you can do though is go onto forums of people who have sailed all around the world. all the millions of people who have sailed deep oceans over the centuries we dont have people saying Look heres the end of the world. 500years and nothing, want to prove me wrong? get in a boat and go sailing come back with pictures.
what i said it if you go in the direction of that route i posted above you would reach the end of the earth if it was flat, but instead you end up in America. thats my point, thats not hard to understand. its a big thing to over look.
I think its quack science, im not calling you a cook or anything
i just offered up some info you dismissed. you dont want to ask people who have actually gone sailing around? fine.
What your talking about is a term called confirmation bias.
as for your airplane example and saying it needs to keep its nose down to combat the earth surface.,no they dont, if in vacuum, and no gravitation pull then yer it would need todo that,because there is no gravitational pull to keep the object close, thing is anything in a gravitation pull will eventually find its self on crashing into the ground.
To circle around something with no gravity then yer you would need to constantly adjust downwards.
Even satalights in orbit eventually get pulled back to earth. But thats inconvenient so I guess the thing is to deny satalights
Where as aircraft are constantly fighting gravity to stay up, only held there by air, nothing else. so no it doesnt need to combat the earths curvature because its trying to stay up not stay down.
. again go talk to pilots and ask them how it works. people who actually understand these things. go ask why doesnt a plane need to keep its nose down when flying around the earth, go ask them. its easy todo. if you dont trust my answer, they will explain in more detail, I cant sit here and debate endlessly on all this, i do have a wife, kid, business and other hobbies, so at some point im going to have to leave this debate alone. Im very on the fence with things, but may of these things can be answered, its more you dont like the answer or dont want to put time in finding both sides.
personally i think this sort of junk science gets floated and is put out there to discredit people who have real concerns about genuine conspiracies. another example is the lizard people thing. Good example Some one who thinks the vaccine was rushed or was put out there to make billions for big pharma, they can get labeled as flat earthers, or cooks who think people are shapeshifting aliens. IMO flat earth and Lizard people was put out there by those guys as a way to discredit real conspiracies and real corruption, distract us, make us look crazy. make us battle over junk science, thats Why we should stay away from it, there is no reason for the lie about the earth being round. there are reason why they would like us to fight over the earth being flat so we dont talk about vaccines or government corruption, or if you talk about both they can lable you as a flat earther, They put out bait and people are taking it.
they float bait and people run with it, and they can discredit us as people took the bait.
But i am going to call it after this one sorry, I just cant waste more time on this, as interesting as it was, and now that your getting butthurt, im bowing out
To circle around something with no gravity then yer you would need to constantly adjust downwards.
Even satalights in orbit eventually get pulled back to earth. But thats inconvenient so I guess the thing is to deny satalights
Where as aircraft are constantly fighting gravity to stay up, only held there by air, nothing else. so no it doesnt need to combat the earths curvature because its trying to stay up not stay down.
. again go talk to pilots and ask them how it works. people who actually understand these things. go ask why doesnt a plane need to keep its nose down when flying around the earth, go ask them. its easy todo. if you dont trust my answer, they will explain in more detail, I cant sit here and debate endlessly on all this, i do have a wife, kid, business and other hobbies, so at some point im going to have to leave this debate alone. Im very on the fence with things, but may of these things can be answered, its more you dont like the answer or dont want to put time in finding both sides.
personally i think this sort of junk science gets floated and is put out there to discredit people who have real concerns about genuine conspiracies. another example is the lizard people thing. Good example Some one who thinks the vaccine was rushed or was put out there to make billions for big pharma, they can get labeled as flat earthers, or cooks who think people are shapeshifting aliens. IMO flat earth and Lizard people was put out there by those guys as a way to discredit real conspiracies and real corruption, distract us, make us look crazy. make us battle over junk science, thats Why we should stay away from it, there is no reason for the lie about the earth being round. there are reason why they would like us to fight over the earth being flat so we dont talk about vaccines or government corruption, or if you talk about both they can lable you as a flat earther, They put out bait and people are taking it.
they float bait and people run with it, and they can discredit us as people took the bait.
But i am going to call it after this one sorry, I just cant waste more time on this, as interesting as it was, and now that your getting butthurt, im bowing out
Light refraction and superior mirages is the only explanation ever given. The chances of the position of objects/landscapes in view being perfectly aligned to the horizon without any distortion is almost absurd.
Many tests have been conducted where objects/Landscapes have been filmed whilst the observer travels in the opposite direction. The objects/Landscapes stay in full view the whole time, whilst the distance travelled would otherwise place the objects below the earth's curvature.
As you mentioned, ships can sometimes appear floating and hovering in mid air, yet the long distance photographs never show this phenomenon. All the examples I've seen never show the same type of distortion and objects and landscapes are positioned as they would be relative to their surrounding environments.
Using the existence of light refraction to explain away every instance of Landscapes/objects that should be hidden due to Earth's curvature is logical fallacy. There are too many examples that do not match how refracted light and superior mirages behave.
Look at the long distance photograph I have given as an example. Explain to me at what point light refraction comes into play.
Many tests have been conducted where objects/Landscapes have been filmed whilst the observer travels in the opposite direction. The objects/Landscapes stay in full view the whole time, whilst the distance travelled would otherwise place the objects below the earth's curvature.
As you mentioned, ships can sometimes appear floating and hovering in mid air, yet the long distance photographs never show this phenomenon. All the examples I've seen never show the same type of distortion and objects and landscapes are positioned as they would be relative to their surrounding environments.
Using the existence of light refraction to explain away every instance of Landscapes/objects that should be hidden due to Earth's curvature is logical fallacy. There are too many examples that do not match how refracted light and superior mirages behave.
Look at the long distance photograph I have given as an example. Explain to me at what point light refraction comes into play.