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TRUMP

I couldn't really.
I could be critical of the way he has handled certain things, but like I said, I'm aware I don't have all the information Trump has, and I'm willing to accept that things aren't necessarily as they seem. So I wont be critical.
At this point I wont entertain that he's guilty of any of the bullshit attacks as an argument against him, at the start I would think maybe that's true, but after a decade of increasingly retarded attacks, I just wont do that anymore, There enough people are already doing that, as an all in plan truster, I will be out there defending him.

For me to turn on him at this point, he would have to do some seriously horrific shit.
I don't consider deportations even close to that/
I wouldn't even consider arresting his political enemies and locking them in small rooms on 1 meal a day or executing them over the line, in fact, I think that absolutely has to happen.
 
I couldn't really.
I could be critical of the way he has handled certain things, but like I said, I'm aware I don't have all the information Trump has, and I'm willing to accept that things aren't necessarily as they seem. So I wont be critical.
At this point I wont entertain that he's guilty of any of the bullshit attacks as an argument against him, at the start I would think maybe that's true, but after a decade of increasingly retarded attacks, I just wont do that anymore, There enough people are already doing that, as an all in plan truster, I will be out there defending him.

For me to turn on him at this point, he would have to do some seriously horrific shit.
I don't consider deportations even close to that/
I wouldn't even consider arresting his political enemies and locking them in small rooms on 1 meal a day or executing them over the line, in fact, I think that absolutely has to happen.
Mate u lost me with executing Trumps political enemies. I wont post here the words that I'm thinking of when u are talking about executing someone that has an opposing view.

Mate be careful when posting that u think executions of political opponents " absolutely has to happen ".

That could be construed as inciting Political Violence.
 
I couldn't really.
I could be critical of the way he has handled certain things, but like I said, I'm aware I don't have all the information Trump has, and I'm willing to accept that things aren't necessarily as they seem. So I wont be critical.
At this point I wont entertain that he's guilty of any of the bullshit attacks as an argument against him, at the start I would think maybe that's true, but after a decade of increasingly retarded attacks, I just wont do that anymore, There enough people are already doing that, as an all in plan truster, I will be out there defending him.

For me to turn on him at this point, he would have to do some seriously horrific shit.
I don't consider deportations even close to that/
I wouldn't even consider arresting his political enemies and locking them in small rooms on 1 meal a day or executing them over the line, in fact, I think that absolutely has to happen.

That's both admirable and terrifying. I think we should all have the capacity to put aside our beliefs and try to look at things from a different perspective. But I do respect how much faith you have in Trump and can also appreciate the reasons for it.

If you could make a case for Trump, what would be the strongest points? I will attempt to make a case against him just for arguments sake. Just so we're clear, I used to think Trump was exactly what the world needed, that he was going to lead us to victory and become a real threat to the swamp he promised to drain. If you'd be prepared to take the time and document all the pro's for Trump (many of which I'm sure I'll agree with), I'll conjure up my best argument against him. Maybe you'll enable me to see what I'm missing.

If you're open to this, please do take the time to really lay it all out, and I'll do the same.
 
Mate u lost me with executing Trumps political enemies. I wont post here the words that I'm thinking of when u are talking about executing someone that has an opposing view.

Mate be careful when posting that u think executions of political opponents " absolutely has to happen ".

That could be construed as inciting Political Violence.
Harden up, they tried to imprison him for 700 years over dumb bullshit.

He wouldn't be going after them just cos they have an opposing view, they would be executed for trying to coup the government, crimes against humanity, things where the law says the punishment is death. I'm not talking summery executions, they get a trial, or tribunal, crimes are fully brought into the public, then they get the appropriate punishment, that being in many cases, death.
 
People are calling for a Nuremberg 2.0 for the COVID and vax insanity. I'd genuinely like to see people held to account for their involvement. Trials of that nature would be just and warranted IMO. Sadly, the world we live in protects the criminals if they're backed by the cartel (even for obvious crimes against humanity). Just goes to show how much power they have, and if Trump was one of the good guys, just how difficult it would be to make any kind of real progress in his position.
 
That's both admirable and terrifying. I think we should all have the capacity to put aside our beliefs and try to look at things from a different perspective. But I do respect how much faith you have in Trump and can also appreciate the reasons for it.

If you could make a case for Trump, what would be the strongest points? I will attempt to make a case against him just for arguments sake. Just so we're clear, I used to think Trump was exactly what the world needed, that he was going to lead us to victory and become a real threat to the swamp he promised to drain. If you'd be prepared to take the time and document all the pro's for Trump (many of which I'm sure I'll agree with), I'll conjure up my best argument against him. Maybe you'll enable me to see what I'm missing.

If you're open to this, please do take the time to really lay it all out, and I'll do the same.

My painkillers are starting to kick my ass, but I'll give it ago.
Rather than writing properly I will do dot points.

When he first ran, he said the first thing he would do would be end the TPP, after being sworn in he walked into the oval office and signed that right away.

Executive Order 13818 (December 20, 2017) "Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption,"

The attacks against him signal that he's the guy. For a long time I thought the whole system was corrupt, then Trump enters politics and the entire corrupt system attacks him.
I believe it's beyond the point where you can say the attacks are all staged to make him look like opposition.

Building the wall and enforcing the border.

Deporting the illegals.

Israel tried to drag the US into war with Iran, then Trump came in and ended the war.

Trump is working with military intelligence to take down the 3 letter stooges.
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His patience, although some might disagree, I think he knows really bad things are happening, and has been holding back for years to entrap everyone involved and expose them without causing the world to plunge into chaos.
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My brain is zoning out past the point where I can put together the argument that I want to.
I'll come back tomorrow and redo, or continue on this.
 
The attacks against him signal that he's the guy. For a long time I thought the whole system was corrupt, then Trump enters politics and the entire corrupt system attacks him.
I believe it's beyond the point where you can say the attacks are all staged to make him look like opposition.
This ^^ is the main reason I'm on the fence. You cannot deny he has been attacked in the exact way you'd expect the deep-state to attack him.
I'll come back tomorrow and redo, or continue on this.

Thank you. These are all excellent points. I'd greatly appreciate you adding to them in the future. I'll begin my best arguments against Trump and post them up in due course.
 
@shinymetal

As a candidate, Trump was saying things that really revved me up. But many of his campaign promises fell flat on their face.

Hilary - Trump was attacking Hilary like any good political adversary does. But part of his campaign promise was Hilary would be investigated and he would put her in jail for her crimes. There was a whole saga of her deleting emails etc and she never answered for it. Despite his promises, he did absolutely nothing.


Stock market - This was one of the most significant attractions of Trump for me. When you had a good look at it, most of us could see the stock market was being inflated and kept afloat by the fed. Endless currency was pumped into the stock market year after year. Trump wasn't afraid to expose the stock market for the "Big, fat, ugly bubble" it was, saying it was a disaster waiting to happen. During his presidency, he's been attributing the continued inflation of the Stock market to his economic success. I've never heard him speak negatively of the stock market since.

Draining the swamp - This was one of Trumps many mantras. One could probably point to him cleaning up the justice department and appointing a few favourable heads into important positions, but nothing significant has happened to make me believe the swamp is any weaker than it was before.

End the fed - he's been attacking Jerome Powell recently but I'd say it's far from ending the fed. In fact, he wants lower interest rates which just further inflates the bubble. This isn't the type of economic reform the country needs. It's like trying to dig yourself out of a hole.

Trump constantly touts his ability to get things done. Despite knowing what he's up against, he seems to be blind to the opposition he'll face along the way. That doesn't stop him from making claims and promises that he cannot fulfil.

Association and love affair with Israel - Trump is a huge advocate and supporter of Israel. Putting on our tinfoil hats, how is Israel not the deep state?!? Yet Trump openly loves Israel.

Ukraine war - says he would end the war on day 1. Now he's talking about sending Ukraine weapons? Again, another promise/claim he said he "exaggerated" when challenged. At the very best we could say that Trump overestimates his abilities and underestimates his challenges.

Iran - Trump not only approved a cruise missile strike against Syria in 2017, claiming it was in the "interests of national security" but also bombs Iran at the same time Israel is sending their barrage of missiles. This can go either way but I don't see it as a positive for him.

Epstein - The audacity to brush off the Epstein saga like it's meaningless is next level. He'd be well aware of the importance of Epstein (especially to many of his supporters) and what that list would mean to those affiliated with Epstein. That in itself is suspect and his association with Epstein is also suspicious.

Covid - Operation warp speed and his advocacy for the jabs. He had no problem encouraging people to take the jabs, and as far as I'm aware, he still supports them. Everybody in that camp has proven themselves to be part of the "club". I don't see why he's any different.

Much of the problem I have with Trump is his lack of integrity and the signs that he's serving the cabal. He can attend to surface-level shit like building a wall but at the end of the day he was meant to be the guy who stuck it to the elite and brought down the system. Anything he does that can just be undone by the next elected puppet is near meaningless. He hasn't done himself any favours by not fulfilling his campaign promises, and the recent development of trying to shove the Epstein story under the rug is just another nail in the coffin.

I doubt he'll be able to pull off something miraculous in the next 3 years to change my scepticism of him. Of course, I do like many things he's done but any controlled opposition would be capable of achieving good things whilst working for the cabal in the background. Believe me, I actually want him to be what he says he is... But I'd prefer to take a step back and observe than commit my faith to a man that hasn't proven to be deserving of it.
 
Hilary, if Trump had of investigated Clinton during his first term it would have exposed things that people weren't ready to see or hear, it had to play out so people understood what was at stake.
It had to play out like this to wake as many people as possible up.
If someone told me in 2017 what was about to unfold, I wouldn't have believed them.
Not to mention the courts would have probably nust let her go anyway.
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Stock market/end the fed, it needs to get inflated to the point of ridiculousness to go away. There is no fixing it at this point a reset of sorts is coming.

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draining the swamp. draining the swamp exposes the swamp creatures and leaves them flopping around on the ground for everyone to see.
That has happened, they're now more exposed than ever, and people are pissed.
People need to be angry and demanding action before anything can happen or he'll be seen as a dictator.

Israel. One does not simple attack Israel head on, have you noticed the general rise in anti Israel sentiment around the world?
They openly reserve the right with Samson option to nuke the planet to death if threatened.
Exposing them as running a child trafficking island to entrap and blackmail world leader so Israel could pull the strings of world events is a threat on the same level as a nuke. It would destroy them.
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Ukraine, Trump tried his best to negotiate peace, it didn't play out.
He's talking about selling NATO weapons, no more giving stuff away.

Iran, Israel was trying to drag USA into another Middle East shit fight ground war, Trump has been consistent for years on his stance of Iran not getting nukes, that strike ended the war, and any pretext for sending in ground troops. And their ability to produce bombs.
In Syria when Trump was running through ISIS? I'm ok with that.

Epstein, I see what Trump did recently as bringing maximum attention to a topic by making an outrageous statement. Then he said "fine have the grand jury stuff".
His association with Epstein put him close enough to know what goes on.
If there was anything there, we would know by this point.


Covid was an attack against Trump, without the EUA for the jab the lockdowns would have been far longer, collapsing supply chains and leaving cities to starve.
In warfare sometimes things need to happen.
He tied to talk about HCQ and Ivermectin, and was attacked relentlessly for it, as was anyone else.
He was always about the jab being a choice.


Things happen slowly then at all once, a lot can happen in 3 years.
Taking down the most powerful people in the world who have entrenched themselves in the system over atleast the last hundreds of years isn't a *bing bam boom* and you're done sort of thing.
It takes cunning.
 
Same :poop: Different day

When King Louis XV died in 1774, nearly all of France breathed a collective sigh of relief.

The late king, along with his predecessor— the legendary Louis XIV— had indebted France up to its eyeballs with endless war, waste, and lavish spending ( mmm, something familiar about that ). Sure, Versailles was gorgeous. But the interest payments were eating the royal Treasury alive. And everyone knew that France was in serious trouble... so when the king died, people became hopeful that change was coming.

The new king, Louis XVI, was young, bright, energetic, and wildly popular. People desperately believed that he would finally be the one to reform the system and fix the nation’s gargantuan problems.

And initially things went very well. One of the young king’s first orders was to appoint an economic libertarian named Jacques Turgot as his chief minister. Turgot made his principles crystal clear from day one: France would not declare bankruptcy. It would introduce no new taxes. And it would incur no new debts.

In short, Turgot planned to fix the nation’s finances through massive spending cuts—something everyone acknowledged was long overdue. He also aimed to improve the efficiency of the state, and there were plenty of obvious, sensible reforms to be made there as well.
Unfortunately for France, it didn’t last long.

Turgot made enemies fast— which wasn’t very surprising given that he was threatening the political class’s taxpayer-funded gravy train. Nearly everyone— the Church, the media, the nobles— turned on Turgot and called for his removal. So by May of 1776, just 18 months after Turgot took office, the King dismissed him.

At that point, it became painfully clear that the necessary reforms weren’t going to happen. In fact France went in the opposite direction— providing major financial support to America— until finally hitting rock bottom in 1789 at which point France suffered its own revolution, along with the Reign of Terror, multiple wars, hyperinflation, and more.

When it comes to making much needed reforms, I see a lot of similarities between 1770s France and 2020s America.
When Donald Trump won the 2024 election, there was real cause for optimism. Trump had a strong economic record already. He talked during the campaign about the need to cut the deficit. He hammered the regulatory state. He made it clear that America couldn’t keep limping along funded by infinite debt and magical thinking.


Then he brought in real firepower.

Elon Musk was elevated to head the DOGE initiative to take a chainsaw to government waste. Like Jacques Turgot in 1774, Elon found all sorts of garbage in Washington: redundant agencies, overlapping missions, and entire programs that were taxpayer-funded scams.
Most importantly, Elon identified spending cuts that, along with a strong deregulatory push to unleash growth, could have steered the ship in the right direction again. America’s debt problems wouldn’t vanish overnight, but they could start improving.

Plus, after years of ‘leadership’ from Joe Biden, i.e. a guy who shook hands with thin air and abandoned tens of billions of dollars of military equipment to America’s sworn enemy in Afghanistan, the US had elected someone whose first instinct upon his attempted assassination was to cheer Americans to fight.

Things certainly started well. In his first days as President, Trump issued a handful of powerful executive orders. The border was closed. DOGE started to gain traction. The woke nonsense ground to a halt. But then he went all-in on tariffs, arguing they were the solution to America’s financial problems. Instead of offering the stability that businesses need to plan and grow, however, the ‘plan’ was a chaotic mix of on-again, off-again policies with no clear objective.

Then, just as DOGE was proposing serious spending cuts, the government did a 180 and backed a massive funding bill that added trillions to the deficit. Nearly everything that Elon found was ignored. And in the end, Congress rescinded a whopping $9 billion of waste out of the hundreds of billions identified.

Then Trump and Elon had a falling out. Elon walked. And, just like that, it started to look—once again—like business as usual in Washington.
Still, optimists could hold out hope. Maybe it was just a year-one strategy—pass the big spending bills early, stabilize politically, and tackle reform in year two. I’ve long argued the window is still open to arrest America’s decline. But they are pushing it dangerously close to the edge.

And then came Epstein.

No, it’s not an economic issue. It doesn’t directly affect bond markets or Social Security or the Fed. But it is a major crack— perhaps the final crack— in the illusion that anything is going to change. They are refusing to hold Epstein’s buddies accountable, to reveal what happened, and to deliver on a key promise of transparency that they made repeatedly.

And instead of leveling with the public—even if the truth was ugly—they chose to gaslight voters.
Trust in every major institution was already near historical lows prior to this Epstein issue. Now it will only get worse.
The Swamp, the Deep State, the runaway bureaucracy— whatever you want to call it, clearly lives on.


They’re not cutting the deficit. They haven’t significantly rolled back regulations. Reforming Social Security isn’t even on the table, just 8 years from insolvency. Spending keeps accelerating, with no plan to slow down. Meanwhile, interest on the national debt has already blown past $1 trillion annually, which could easily triple within a decade. Foreign governments and central banks—once the biggest buyers of US debt—are quietly backing away.

The White House is already planning on installing their own yes-men to the Federal Reserve, virtually guaranteeing a money-printing bonanza in the years to come... with the obvious effect being tons of inflation.

America looks/sounds/feels VERY MUCH like France before the Revolution. As has been said before " When the people loose everything, they have nothing to loose by bringing down the regime ". When people are buying their food/groceries on a credit card/BNPL u should realize that we are getting close to the " End Game ".
 
Same :poop: Different day

When King Louis XV died in 1774, nearly all of France breathed a collective sigh of relief.

The late king, along with his predecessor— the legendary Louis XIV— had indebted France up to its eyeballs with endless war, waste, and lavish spending ( mmm, something familiar about that ). Sure, Versailles was gorgeous. But the interest payments were eating the royal Treasury alive. And everyone knew that France was in serious trouble... so when the king died, people became hopeful that change was coming.

The new king, Louis XVI, was young, bright, energetic, and wildly popular. People desperately believed that he would finally be the one to reform the system and fix the nation’s gargantuan problems.

And initially things went very well. One of the young king’s first orders was to appoint an economic libertarian named Jacques Turgot as his chief minister. Turgot made his principles crystal clear from day one: France would not declare bankruptcy. It would introduce no new taxes. And it would incur no new debts.

In short, Turgot planned to fix the nation’s finances through massive spending cuts—something everyone acknowledged was long overdue. He also aimed to improve the efficiency of the state, and there were plenty of obvious, sensible reforms to be made there as well.
Unfortunately for France, it didn’t last long.

Turgot made enemies fast— which wasn’t very surprising given that he was threatening the political class’s taxpayer-funded gravy train. Nearly everyone— the Church, the media, the nobles— turned on Turgot and called for his removal. So by May of 1776, just 18 months after Turgot took office, the King dismissed him.

At that point, it became painfully clear that the necessary reforms weren’t going to happen. In fact France went in the opposite direction— providing major financial support to America— until finally hitting rock bottom in 1789 at which point France suffered its own revolution, along with the Reign of Terror, multiple wars, hyperinflation, and more.

When it comes to making much needed reforms, I see a lot of similarities between 1770s France and 2020s America.
When Donald Trump won the 2024 election, there was real cause for optimism. Trump had a strong economic record already. He talked during the campaign about the need to cut the deficit. He hammered the regulatory state. He made it clear that America couldn’t keep limping along funded by infinite debt and magical thinking.


Then he brought in real firepower.

Elon Musk was elevated to head the DOGE initiative to take a chainsaw to government waste. Like Jacques Turgot in 1774, Elon found all sorts of garbage in Washington: redundant agencies, overlapping missions, and entire programs that were taxpayer-funded scams.
Most importantly, Elon identified spending cuts that, along with a strong deregulatory push to unleash growth, could have steered the ship in the right direction again. America’s debt problems wouldn’t vanish overnight, but they could start improving.

Plus, after years of ‘leadership’ from Joe Biden, i.e. a guy who shook hands with thin air and abandoned tens of billions of dollars of military equipment to America’s sworn enemy in Afghanistan, the US had elected someone whose first instinct upon his attempted assassination was to cheer Americans to fight.

Things certainly started well. In his first days as President, Trump issued a handful of powerful executive orders. The border was closed. DOGE started to gain traction. The woke nonsense ground to a halt. But then he went all-in on tariffs, arguing they were the solution to America’s financial problems. Instead of offering the stability that businesses need to plan and grow, however, the ‘plan’ was a chaotic mix of on-again, off-again policies with no clear objective.

Then, just as DOGE was proposing serious spending cuts, the government did a 180 and backed a massive funding bill that added trillions to the deficit. Nearly everything that Elon found was ignored. And in the end, Congress rescinded a whopping $9 billion of waste out of the hundreds of billions identified.

Then Trump and Elon had a falling out. Elon walked. And, just like that, it started to look—once again—like business as usual in Washington.
Still, optimists could hold out hope. Maybe it was just a year-one strategy—pass the big spending bills early, stabilize politically, and tackle reform in year two. I’ve long argued the window is still open to arrest America’s decline. But they are pushing it dangerously close to the edge.

And then came Epstein.

No, it’s not an economic issue. It doesn’t directly affect bond markets or Social Security or the Fed. But it is a major crack— perhaps the final crack— in the illusion that anything is going to change. They are refusing to hold Epstein’s buddies accountable, to reveal what happened, and to deliver on a key promise of transparency that they made repeatedly.

And instead of leveling with the public—even if the truth was ugly—they chose to gaslight voters.
Trust in every major institution was already near historical lows prior to this Epstein issue. Now it will only get worse.
The Swamp, the Deep State, the runaway bureaucracy— whatever you want to call it, clearly lives on.


They’re not cutting the deficit. They haven’t significantly rolled back regulations. Reforming Social Security isn’t even on the table, just 8 years from insolvency. Spending keeps accelerating, with no plan to slow down. Meanwhile, interest on the national debt has already blown past $1 trillion annually, which could easily triple within a decade. Foreign governments and central banks—once the biggest buyers of US debt—are quietly backing away.

The White House is already planning on installing their own yes-men to the Federal Reserve, virtually guaranteeing a money-printing bonanza in the years to come... with the obvious effect being tons of inflation.

America looks/sounds/feels VERY MUCH like France before the Revolution. As has been said before " When the people loose everything, they have nothing to loose by bringing down the regime ". When people are buying their food/groceries on a credit card/BNPL u should realize that we are getting close to the " End Game ".

What the? Did you write all that? That's a beautiful summary of events.
 
What the? Did you write all that? That's a beautiful summary of events.
Lot's of it is from an article I read, but I interspersed my own thoughts throughout it :unsure:

The very last paragraph is my opinion/view on where the USA/Western countries in general are headed 😞

Lot's of views/opinions of others out there - Fall of Empire, The Fourth Turning, The End Game, etc, I definitely think we are heading to a point where there's a General Explosion/Implosion that will Shake/Change the World 😲

Hopefully us stackers :cool: will be in a better position than most, on the other side of Whatever Happens
 
Hilary, if Trump had of investigated Clinton during his first term it would have exposed things that people weren't ready to see or hear, it had to play out so people understood what was at stake.
It had to play out like this to wake as many people as possible up.
If someone told me in 2017 what was about to unfold, I wouldn't have believed them.
Not to mention the courts would have probably nust let her go anyway.
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Stock market/end the fed, it needs to get inflated to the point of ridiculousness to go away. There is no fixing it at this point a reset of sorts is coming.

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draining the swamp. draining the swamp exposes the swamp creatures and leaves them flopping around on the ground for everyone to see.
That has happened, they're now more exposed than ever, and people are pissed.
People need to be angry and demanding action before anything can happen or he'll be seen as a dictator.

Israel. One does not simple attack Israel head on, have you noticed the general rise in anti Israel sentiment around the world?
They openly reserve the right with Samson option to nuke the planet to death if threatened.
Exposing them as running a child trafficking island to entrap and blackmail world leader so Israel could pull the strings of world events is a threat on the same level as a nuke. It would destroy them.
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Ukraine, Trump tried his best to negotiate peace, it didn't play out.
He's talking about selling NATO weapons, no more giving stuff away.

Iran, Israel was trying to drag USA into another Middle East shit fight ground war, Trump has been consistent for years on his stance of Iran not getting nukes, that strike ended the war, and any pretext for sending in ground troops. And their ability to produce bombs.
In Syria when Trump was running through ISIS? I'm ok with that.

Epstein, I see what Trump did recently as bringing maximum attention to a topic by making an outrageous statement. Then he said "fine have the grand jury stuff".
His association with Epstein put him close enough to know what goes on.
If there was anything there, we would know by this point.


Covid was an attack against Trump, without the EUA for the jab the lockdowns would have been far longer, collapsing supply chains and leaving cities to starve.
In warfare sometimes things need to happen.
He tied to talk about HCQ and Ivermectin, and was attacked relentlessly for it, as was anyone else.
He was always about the jab being a choice.


Things happen slowly then at all once, a lot can happen in 3 years.
Taking down the most powerful people in the world who have entrenched themselves in the system over atleast the last hundreds of years isn't a *bing bam boom* and you're done sort of thing.
It takes cunning.

Definitely willing to concede on Ukraine and Iran. They could be interpreted either way.

The reasoning for Hillary isn't probable. That just sounds like a convenient excuse to me.

The stock market and the Fed. Now to then it's night and day. Now trump repeats his "best economy ever" mantra and calls on the fed to reduce interest rates to the same level he claimed was harmful 8 years ago. He's filled his political shoes very well by over promising on his campaign and under delivering when in office.


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I'll partially concede your points on Israel, as that could be a play but I don't think it's likely. Trump is deeply entrenched with Israel and has been long before his presidency.

I'll partially concede on Epstein. I
I can entertain the possibility that such a play would get more democrats demanding results, unifying the country on the exposure. If it is a tactic, it would be a clever one.

There's no conceding on Vax for me. Trump continuously touts operation warp speed and highly recommends the Vax. Not objecting to mandates would've been political suicide for him. He claims he took a Pfizer jab. I don't think so. He knew there were no long-term studies and pushed them anyway. He pushed them all the way through. I've never seen him have something negative to say about the jabs themselves.

You haven't been afraid to admit you're all-in with Q, and I can respect that. However, your commitment to Q Anon seems to be the only justification for the majority of Trump's downsides. I do wonder if Q offerings weren't on the table if you'd change your views.
 
You're not wrong to say a big reason for my hard-line support of Trump is Q, I think that probably goes for a lot of people.
I think if Q wasn't on the table, there would have been a civil war by now.
 
I think if Q wasn't on the table, there would have been a civil war by now.

That's a great point... And it actually circles back to the reasons I think Q could be a psy-op. Imagine for a moment that Trump was behind Q. Then imagine if Trump was captured and Q was devised to make "good men do nothing". The most courageous defenders of freedom - willing to draw a line in the sand with the principals and values that guide them, and defend the liberties of all in defiance of evil - could be made to sit on their hands due to the calculated postings of Q.
The level of consideration required to reach this conclusion is the same level of consideration you've applied to your reasoning. It's really important we both keep an open mind to all possibilities.

The thing I love about this discussion is the realisation we both want the same thing. My resistance to Trump and Q is only based on a personal balance of outcomes. We both see the system for what it is and the threats being posed to humanity. We both know it needs to end...and I'm willing to bet that like me, you're willing to die on that hill.
 
Civil war wouldn't have been good for anyone, we don't even know really who to go after them attack the actual power structure.
It would have been a bloody mess and at the end the same people would weasel their way back into power in the chaos.

Far better to do it another way, that slowly and systematically exposes it to the public and actually gets all of them.

So while one aim of Q was to calm a civilian uprising, that doesn't mean that nothing is being done.
 
Civil war wouldn't have been good for anyone, we don't even know really who to go after them attack the actual power structure.
It would have been a bloody mess and at the end the same people would weasel their way back into power in the chaos.

Far better to do it another way, that slowly and systematically exposes it to the public and actually gets all of them.

So while one aim of Q was to calm a civilian uprising, that doesn't mean that nothing is being done.
Fuck the slow & systematically 😲

That's NOT how revolution works.

French knew how it's done. U surround the major Gov buildings. Bring up the Guillotines. Drag those fuckers out of the building.

Ask the crowd for a (y) of a (n) If a (n) off with the fuckers head. The people know who the Guilty are. There in the Gov building wearing the expensive suits :devilish:

:ROFLMAO:
 
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